Podcast

The Body of Evidence

Health & Fitness, Medicine, Nutrition

Dr. Christopher Labos and guests use the body of evidence to go beyond science and medicine headlines and hype. All to help you develop your critical thinking skills so that when you google your symptoms, you won't believe you're going to die tomorrow.

The Body of Evidence is your weekly dose of clarity on complex health topics and the often-sketchy medical information found online. Hosted by cardiologist Dr. Christopher Labos and featuring a rotating cast of co-hosts and guests, this podcast brings you engaging interviews, original reporting, and humour-filled commentaries to help you navigate the world of medicine. Episodes tackle everything from debunking misinformation to exploring the reality of certain conditions to the effectiveness of social media medical trends. With an extensive archive dating back to 2015,The Body of Evidence is your go-to source for understanding science and medicine and developing critical thinking about your health.

Episodes
298
Releases
Weekly
Typical length
42 min
On air since
2015
Latest episode
5 days ago

Episodes

298 episodes, newest first

  1. 208 – Screen time in kids

    Episode 208

    Show notes

    Limiting screen time in kids is easier said than done. Also, how much is too much? Will new laws limiting access to social media for kids and teens do anything?

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    Obviously, Chris is not your doctor (probably). This podcast is not medical advice for you; it is what we call information.

    References:

    American College of Pediatricians. Media use and screen time: its impact on children, adolescents, and families. 2020.

    Canadian Heritage. Government of Canada introduces legislation to make social media services and AI chatbots safer for children. 10 June 2026. https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/news/2026/06/government-of-canada-introduces-legislation-to-make-social-media-services-and-ai-chatbots-safer-for-children.html

    Cerniglia L, Cimino S, Ammaniti M. What are the effects of screen time on emotion regulation and academic achievements? A three-wave longitudinal study on children from 4 to 8 years of age. Journal of Early Childhood Research. 2021;19(2):145-60.

    COUNCIL ON COMMUNICATIONS AND MEDIA, David Hill, Nusheen Ameenuddin, Yolanda (Linda) Reid Chassiakos, Corinn Cross, Jeffrey Hutchinson, Alanna Levine, Rhea Boyd, Robert Mendelson, Megan Moreno, Wendy Sue Swanson; Media and Young Minds. Pediatrics November 2016; 138 (5): e20162591. 10.1542/peds.2016-2591

    Esfandiari M, Sciacca B, Feijóo S, Laffan DA, Milosevic T, O'Toole C, et al. Trends in digital technologies to address children's online safety education: A systematic scoping review. International Journal of Educational Research Open. 2025;9:100462.

    Gallup. Screens ubiquitous in classrooms; teachers split on efficacy. September 2026. https://news.gallup.com/poll/714479/screens-ubiquitous-classrooms-teachers-split-efficacy.aspx

    Hinkley T, McCann JR. Mothers' and father's perceptions of the risks and benefits of screen time and physical activity during early childhood: a qualitative study. BMC Public Health. 2018;18(1):1-8. http://dx.doi.org/10.1186/s12889-018-6199-6

    Institut de la statistique du Québec. L'utilisation des écrans chez les tout-petits d'environ un an et demi et leurs parents. 2024. https://statistique.quebec.ca/fr/produit/publication/utilisation-ecrans-tout-petits-environ-un-an-et-demi-et-leurs-parents

    Livingstone S, Helsper EJ. Parental Mediation of Children's Internet Use. Journal of Broadcasting & Electronic Media. 2008;52(4):581-99.

    McClain, C., Sidoti, O., Faverio, M., & Lama, S. (2025, October 8). How parents approach their kids' screen time. Pew Research Center. https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2025/10/PI_2025.10.08_Parents-Kids-Screens_REPORT.pdf

    Médias24. Réseaux sociaux : la France interdit l'accès aux moins de 15 ans. 22 July 2026. https://medias24.com/2026/07/22/reseaux-sociaux-la-france-interdit-lacces-aux-moins-de-15-ans-1728491/

    Miller CC, Mervosh S. How Much Screen Time Is Your Child Getting at School? We Asked 350 Teachers. The New York Times. 2025.

    Vasconcellos, R. P., Sanders, T., Lonsdale, C., Parker, P., Conigrave, J., Tang, S., Del Pozo Cruz, B., Biddle, S. J. H., Taylor, R., Innes-Hughes, C., Salmela-Aro, K., Vasconcellos, D., Wilhite, K., Tremaine, E., Booker, B., & Noetel, M. (2025). Electronic screen use and children's socioemotional problems: A systematic review and meta-analysis of longitudinal studies. Psychological bulletin, 151(5), 513–543. https://doi.org/10.1037/bul0000468

    Qu G, Hu W, Meng J, Wang X, Su W, Liu H, et al. Association between screen time and developmental and behavioral problems among children in the United States: evidence from 2018 to 2020 NSCH. Journal of Psychiatric Research. 2023;161:140-9.

    Tamana SK, Ezeugwu V, Chikuma J, Lefebvre DL, Azad MB, Moraes TJ, et al. Screen-time is associated with inattention problems in preschoolers: Results from the CHILD birth cohort study. PLOS ONE. 2019;14(4). http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0213995

    TechPolicy.Press. Early Lessons from Australia's Teen Social Media Ban for the Rest of the World. 2026. https://www.techpolicy.press/early-lessons-from-australias-teen-social-media-ban-for-the-rest-of-the-world/

    Toigo S, Wang C, Prince SA, Varin M, Roberts KC, Betancourt MT. Recreational screen time and mental health among Canadian children and youth. Health Promotion and Chronic Disease Prevention in Canada. 2025;45(7-8):311-22.

    54 min
  2. 207 – Heart Rate Variability (HRV)

    Episode 207

    Show notes

    The Apple Watch Series 12 is doubling down on its new Readiness Scores and HRV. How well does it work and how much can rely on heart rate variability to tell us anything about our health.

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    Obviously, Chris is not your doctor (probably). This podcast is not medical advice for you; it is what we call information.

    References:

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    Chris article on HRV for the Montreal Gazette: https://montrealgazette.com/opinion/columnists/labos-ive-got-no-time-for-apple-watchs-new-health-sensing-system/

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    Eric Topol's review on wearable tech and HRV: https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the-big-holes-in-wearable-heart-rate

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    A primer on how to measure HRV https://www.empirical.health/blog/how-wearables-measure-hrv/

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    How well does wearable tech correspond with ECG derived measures of HRV: https://www.mdpi.com/1424-8220/26/16/5192

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    A review of readiness scores: https://www.degruyterbrill.com/document/doi/10.1515/teb-2025-0001/html

    39 min
  3. 206 - Welcome to Seriously?! Our New Grey's Anatomy Rewatch Podcast!

    Episode 206

    Show notes

    Sex, scandals, love triangles, questionable decisions... and the occasional medical emergency.

    It's been more than 20 years since Grey's Anatomy first hit our screens, and we're going back to Seattle Grace Hospital to relive every messy, McDreamy moment.

    But don't worry. We'll be back to our regularly scheduled Body of Evidence programming next week. We just thought we'd share the first episode of our NEW podcast, Seriously?! A Grey's Anatomy Rewatch Podcast with you, too!

    We're watching every episode from the very beginning, breaking down the medical mysteries, the questionable science, the relationships, the heartbreak, and all the drama that made this show a pop culture phenomenon.

    Is the medicine actually accurate? Would any of these doctors still have their medical licences? And seriously, why is EVERYONE sleeping with EVERYONE?!

    Join us for Seriously?! A Grey's Anatomy Rewatch Podcast, coming soon wherever you get your podcasts.

    Because sometimes, the only appropriate reaction is... SERIOUSLY?!

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    47 min
  4. 205 – The Health and Wellness Lie

    Episode 205

    Show notes

    Friend of the show, Nick Tiller has a new book out looking at the wellness industry and why we have such trouble distinguishing fact from fiction when it comes to your well-being. Hint: money and marketing play a role.

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    Obviously, Chris is not your doctor (probably). This podcast is not medical advice for you; it is what we call information.

    References:

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    Nick's book: https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/health-and-wellness-lie-9781399424240/

    44 min
  5. 204 – Avoiding seeds & nuts with diverticulosis

    Episode 204

    Show notes

    Diverticulosis patients are often told to avoid seeds and nuts because small food particles will get stuck in the crevices of their colon and cause diverticulitis. But that may not be true. Chris and Sophie debunk this oft repeated piece of advice for a disase that Sophie never heard of until today.

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    Theme music: "Fall of the Ocean Queen" by Joseph Hackl

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    Chris' book, Does Coffee Cause Cancer?: https://ecwpress.com/products/does-coffee-cause-cancer

    Obviously, Chris is not your doctor (probably). This podcast is not medical advice for you; it is what we call information.

    References:

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    Burden of diverticulosis: https://www.gastrojournal.org/article/S0016-5085(09)00045-6/fulltext?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fpubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2F

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    Increasing diverticulosis in young: https://doi.org/10.1007/s10620-021-06956-w

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    Epidemiology of diverticulosis by country:

    https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0123688

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23385677/

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    Low fiber diet and diverticulosis: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cgh.2013.06.033

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    Diverticulitis prevalence: https://doi.org/10.1097/sla.0b013e3181952888

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    Diverticulitis risk factors and lifestyle: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29112202/

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    Nuts, corns and popcorn- male cohort study: https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.300.8.907

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    Nuts, corns and popcorn- male cohort study: https://doi.org/10.7326/annals-24-03353

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    The DINMATO trial on antibiotic use in mild cases of diverticulitis: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34183510/

    45 min
  6. 203 – You are not a visual learner

    Episode 203

    Show notes

    Many of us assume that we are visual learners, or we learn by doing or by seeing something on the printed page. Whether you've heard of it or not, the VARK system has probably influenced how you think you learn best. But it's complete pseudoscience. Katie Dyer joins to debunk one of the most long held and commonly believed pieces of misinformation out there.

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    Chris' book, Does Coffee Cause Cancer?: https://ecwpress.com/products/does-coffee-cause-cancer

    Obviously, Chris is not your doctor (probably). This podcast is not medical advice for you; it is what we call information.

    References:

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    Pashler, H., McDaniel, M., Rohrer, D., & Bjork, R. A. (2008). Learning styles: Concepts and evidence. Psychological Science in the Public Interest, 9(3), 105–119. https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1539-6053.2009.01038.x

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    Husmann, P. R., & O'Loughlin, V. D. (2019). Another nail in the coffin for learning styles? Disparities among undergraduate anatomy students' study strategies, class performance, and reported VARK learning styles. Anatomical Sciences Education, 12(1), 6–19. https://doi.org/10.1002/ase.1777

    32 min
  7. 202 – Ultra-marathons and the danger of long distance running

    Episode 202

    Show notes

    A viewer question asks how dangerous marathons and longer races are. Also, there is new data about coronary calcifications in marathon runners. Given that the first person to ever run a marathon dropped dead in the Agora of Athens after delivering his fateful message, there are reasons to be concerned that very long distance races are not good for you.

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    Obviously, Chris is not your doctor (probably). This podcast is not medical advice for you; it is what we call information.

    References:

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    RunRepeat. The State of Ultra Running 2020. https://runrepeat.com/state-of-ultra-running

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    RunSignup. 2025 Ultramarathon Statistics. https://info.runsignup.com/2026/04/16/2025-ultramarathon-statistics/

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    Schnohr, P, O'Keefe, J, Marott, J. et al. Dose of Jogging and Long-Term Mortality: The Copenhagen City Heart Study. JACC. 2015 Feb, 65 (5) 411–419.

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    https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jacc.2014.11.023

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    Pedisic, Zeljko et al. "Is running associated with a lower risk of all-cause, cardiovascular and cancer mortality, and is the more the better? A systematic review and meta-analysis." British journal of sports medicine vol. 54,15 (2020): 898-905. doi:10.1136/bjsports-2018-100493

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    Lee, D, Pate, R, Lavie, C. et al. Leisure-Time Running Reduces All-Cause and Cardiovascular Mortality Risk. JACC. 2014 Aug, 64 (5) 472–481. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jacc.2014.04.058

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    Kim, Jonathan H et al. "Cardiac Arrest During Long-Distance Running Races." JAMA vol. 333,19 (2025): 1699-1707. doi:10.1001/jama.2025.3026

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    Newman, William et al. "Risk of atrial fibrillation in athletes: a systematic review and meta-analysis." British journal of sports medicine vol. 55,21 (2021): 1233-1238. doi:10.1136/bjsports-2021-103994

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    Videbæk S, Bueno AM, Nielsen RO, Rasmussen S. Incidence of running-related injuries per 1000 h of running in different types of runners. Sports Med. 2015;45(7):1017–1026. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-015-0333-8

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    Alentorn-Geli, Eduard et al. "The Association of Recreational and Competitive Running With Hip and Knee Osteoarthritis: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis." The Journal of orthopaedic and sports physical therapy vol. 47,6 (2017): 373-390. doi:10.2519/jospt.2017.7137

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    Heikura, Ida A., Arja L.T. Uusitalo, Trent Stellingwerff, Dan Bergland, Antti A. Mero, and Louise M. Burke. "Low Energy Availability Is Difficult to Assess but Outcomes Have Large Impact on Bone Injury Rates in Elite Distance Athletes". International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism 28.4 (2018): 403-411. https://doi.org/10.1123/ijsnem.2017-0313

    39 min
  8. 201 – The Dunning-Kruger effect

    Episode 201

    Show notes

    The term has become synonymous with ignorance, incompetence, nincompoopery, crankiness and just being dumb. But what does the Dunning-Kruger effect really mean and is it even real?? David Dunning joins to discuss how much of the popular understanding is actually evidence based.

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    References:

    1) David Dunning's presentation at LiliCon The Tricky Art of Knowing When You Really Don't Know : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifjnHckelOs

    2) The original 1999 paper: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1999-15054-002

    3) Other examples of the Dunning-Kruger phenomenon: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12712114/

    4) The statistical arguments of the Dunning-Kruger effect being a statistical artefact: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289620300271

    38 min
  9. 200 – Endometriosis

    Episode 200

    Show notes

    Why is endometriosis so hard to diagnose and why do most people not really know what it is? For something so common, endometriosis is rarely talked about. Until today.

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    Obviously, Chris is not your doctor (probably). This podcast is not medical advice for you; it is what we call information.

    References:

    ESHRE guideline: endometriosis https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35350465/

    Time to Diagnose Endometriosis: Current Status, Challenges and Regional Characteristics-A Systematic Literature Review https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39373298/

    Barriers to a Timely Diagnosis of Endometriosis: A Qualitative Systematic Review https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37441792/

    Factors Associated with Time to Endometriosis Diagnosis in the United States https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28440744/

    Rethinking the pathogenesis of endometriosis: Complex interactions of genomic, epigenetic, and environmental factors https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39293995/

    The Immunopathophysiology of Endometriosis https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30054239/

    Unus pro omnibus, omnes pro uno: A novel, evidence-based, unifying theory for the pathogenesis of endometriosis https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28571791/

    Navigating towards precision: evaluating the clinical value of non-invasive biomarkers for the diagnosis of endometriosis https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38576337/

    ACOG Publishes New Endometriosis Clinical Guidance, Aiming to Shorten Time to Diagnosis and Improve Access to Care https://www.acog.org/news/news-releases/2026/02/acog-publishes-new-endometriosis-clinical-guidance-aiming-shorten-time-diagnosis-improve-access-care

    Diagnosis of Endometriosis https://www.acog.org/clinical/clinical-guidance/clinical-practice-guideline/articles/2026/03/diagnosis-of-endometriosis

    51 min
  10. 199 - PCOS Is Now PMOS: The Controversy Behind the Name Change

    Episode 199

    Show notes

    Polycystic ovarian syndrome now has a new name, polyendocrine metabolic syndrome. But not everyone is happy. Is this progress or just a label swap?

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    References:

    The Lancet (2026): Polyendocrine metabolic ovarian syndrome, the new name for polycystic ovary syndrome: a multistep global consensus process - ScienceDirect

    International Evidence-Based Guideline for the Assessment and Management of PCOS: International Evidence-based Guideline for the Assessment and Management of Polycystic Ovary Syndrome 2023 - Monash University

    Historical / context

    NIH Methodology Workshop (2012): Evidence-based Methodology Workshop on Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS) | NIH Office of Disease Prevention Website

    Commentary / debate

    JAMA Medical News (2026): PCOS Is Now PMOS—Will a New Name Translate to Improved Clinical Care? | Reproductive Health | JAMA | JAMA Network

    BMJ Commentary (2026): PCOS name change to PMOS must be managed to avoid confusing patients, says expert | The BMJ

    Patient-facing summaries

    Endocrine Society (2026): Polyendocrine Metabolic Ovarian Syndrome: New name to improve diagnosis and care of condition affecting 170 million women worldwide | Endocrine Society

    Yale Medicine (2026): PCOS Is Renamed PMOS: What You Need to Know | News | Yale Medicine

    39 min
  11. 198 – Protein Maxxing

    Episode 198

    Show notes

    Protein maxxing is all the rage and the new dietary guidelines in the US recently doubled the recommended amount of protein intake. But will a high protein diet help you lose weight and will it really help you build more muscle?

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    References:

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    Clinthorne, J., Leidy, H. J., & Sollid, K. (2026). A Modern Take on Protein Nutrition Meets Evolving Consumer Perceptions. The Journal of nutrition, 156(5), 101477. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.tjnut.2026.101477

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    Devries, M. C., Sithamparapillai, A., Brimble, K. S., Banfield, L., Morton, R. W., & Phillips, S. M. (2018). Changes in Kidney Function Do Not Differ between Healthy Adults Consuming Higher- Compared with Lower- or Normal-Protein Diets: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis. The Journal of nutrition, 148(11), 1760–1775. https://doi.org/10.1093/jn/nxy197

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    Hägele, F. A., Herpich, C., Koop, J., Grübbel, J., Dörner, R., Fedde, S., Götze, O., Boirie, Y., Müller, M. J., Norman, K., & Bosy-Westphal, A. (2025). Short-term effects of high-protein, lower-carbohydrate ultra-processed foods on human energy balance. Nature metabolism, 7(4), 704–713. https://doi.org/10.1038/s42255-025-01247-4

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    Health Canada. Canada's Dietary Guidelines for Health Professionals and Policy Makers. Government of Canada; 2019. canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/food-guide/explore/dietary-guidelines

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    Helms, E. R., Aragon, A. A., & Fitschen, P. J. (2014). Evidence-based recommendations for natural bodybuilding contest preparation: nutrition and supplementation. Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition, 11, 20. https://doi.org/10.1186/1550-2783-11-20

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    International Food Information Council. 2025 IFIC Food & Health Survey: The Full Report. January 2026. https://ific.org/research/2025-food-health-survey

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    Jäger, R., Kerksick, C. M., Campbell, B. I., Cribb, P. J., Wells, S. D., Skwiat, T. M., Purpura, M., Ziegenfuss, T. N., Ferrando, A. A., Arent, S. M., Smith-Ryan, A. E., Stout, J. R., Arciero, P. J., Ormsbee, M. J., Taylor, L. W., Wilborn, C. D., Kalman, D. S., Kreider, R. B., Willoughby, D. S., Hoffman, J. R., … Antonio, J. (2017). International Society of Sports Nutrition Position Stand: protein and exercise. Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition, 14, 20. https://doi.org/10.1186/s12970-017-0177-8

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    Leidy, H. J., Clifton, P. M., Astrup, A., Wycherley, T. P., Westerterp-Plantenga, M. S., Luscombe-Marsh, N. D., Woods, S. C., & Mattes, R. D. (2015). The role of protein in weight loss and maintenance. The American journal of clinical nutrition, 101(6), 1320S–1329S. https://doi.org/10.3945/ajcn.114.084038

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    Morton, R. W., Murphy, K. T., McKellar, S. R., Schoenfeld, B. J., Henselmans, M., Helms, E., Aragon, A. A., Devries, M. C., Banfield, L., Krieger, J. W., & Phillips, S. M. (2018). A systematic review, meta-analysis and meta-regression of the effect of protein supplementation on resistance training-induced gains in muscle mass and strength in healthy adults. British Journal of Sports Medicine, 52(6), 376–384. https://doi.org/10.1136/bjsports-2017-097608

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    Pasiakos SM, Davis TA, Klurfeld DM, Neuhouser ML, Rodriguez NR, Tomé D. Perspectives on the protein recommendations in the 2025-2030 Dietary Guidelines for Americans. J Nutr 2026.

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    US Departments of Agriculture and Health and Human Services. Dietary Guidelines for Americans, 2025-2030.

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    Wycherley TP, Moran LJ, Clifton PM, et al. Effects of energy-restricted high-protein, low-fat compared with standard-protein, low-fat diets: a meta-analysis of RCTs. Am J Clin Nutr 2012;96(6):1281-1298. doi:10.3945/ajcn.112.044321

    36 min
  12. 197 – Healthcare spending – mo' money mo' problems

    Episode 197

    Show notes

    The United States outspends every other country on Earth on healthcare but shockingly does not have the best outcomes and ranks 32nd in terms of life expectancy. Switzerland spends less and does better. Plucky little Canada ranks 22nd in the world. Kim Moon is back to explain why more spending doesn't equal better outcomes and what really drives higher health care costs. Also, a comparative analysis of the US and Canadian healthcare systems: what works and what doesn't in each country.

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    References:

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    The richest Americans live about as long as the poorest Europeans, study says : NPR

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    U.S. Health Care from Global Perspective 2026 Expanded Edition | Commonwealth Fund

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    How does U.S. life expectancy compare to other countries? - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

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    Hospital Global Budgeting: Lessons from Maryland and Selected Nations

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    The U.S. Health Disadvantage and Why It Matters to Business - Community Health and Economic Prosperity - NCBI Bookshelf

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    Expanding healthcare capacity in Canada: the potential of internationally trained physicians - ScienceDirect

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    Troubling Diagnosis: Comparing Canada's Healthcare with International Peers – C.D. Howe Institute

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    Life expectancy at birth: Health at a Glance 2025 | OECD

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    Seven reasons why Americans pay more for health care than any other nation

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    Canada | Commonwealth Fund

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    State of Health Insurance Coverage in U.S.: 2024 Biennial Survey | Commonwealth Fund

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    Health Spending - International Comparison of Health Systems | KFF

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    Canadians need doctors. These strategies from around the country aim to find them | CBC News

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    'You Aren't Trapped': Hundreds of US Nurses Choose Canada Over Trump's America - KFF Health News

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    COMMENTARY: 5 affordable ways to improve Canadians' access to health care in 2026 | CMA

    42 min
  13. 196 – Grey's Anatomy Part 3

    Episode 196

    Show notes

    We're back with another review of the show that will outlive us all. Grey's Anatomy part 3 with cases like the boy who lived in a plastic bubble, the man who believed he was pregnant, the competitive eater who ate too much, the woman who felt no pain, and the patient who could hear everything during surgery.

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    44 min
  14. 195 – Summer Series 4 – Debunking a Bill Gates Conspiracy

    Episode 195

    Show notes

    Is Bill Gates really trying to decrease the world's population by 15% using the covid vaccine? Was the gong show that is Microsoft Office just a prelude to mass genocide? What would you do if a friend forwarded you a Ted Talk of Gates claiming exactly that? Would you assume it was a deep fake or edited to misrepresent what he said or is it even more complicated than that. Floris van Vugt joins to unravel the mystery of the billionaire's bluster and tell us if indeed there are microchips in our vaccines.

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    References:

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    Initially emailed clip

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    Actual TED talk

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    How does better healthcare reduce population growth?

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    George Bernard Shaw Anti-Vax Quote

    44 min
  15. 194 - Summer Series 3 – PCOS or PMOS

    Episode 194

    Show notes

    Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome has been renamed Polyendocrine Metabolic Ovarian Syndrome. So seems like a good time to review our previous episode on it as we prep for a formal update on why the name change happened. Also, we hear Danielle's voice for the first time!!

    Robyn Flynn joins Chris to talk about polycystic ovarian syndrome. More common than most people realize and with more far-reaching implications than it would initially seem. It can impact fertility, cardiovascular health, and according to Robyn is more painful than childbirth?!? We're going to have to look into that one.

    You can also check out Robyn's podcast, Rebel Mom Boss https://open.spotify.com/show/4uMAsJS9ySR47iGYw8ExDo?si=bc68ddfcb0bd4f3f

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    References:

    1) Dutch Twin study about the role of genetics in PCOS:

    10.1210/jc.2005-1494

    2) Cochrane review on meds that improve fertility

    https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD003053.pub6/full

    3) RCT of diet to restore fertility

    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-abstract/88/2/812/2845309?redirectedFrom=fulltext

    4) Benefits of weight loss prior to fertility treatment

    10.1210/jc.2016-1659

    5) Letrozole vs. clomiphene for fertility treatment

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1313517

    6) Metformin as a fertility treatment

    10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2020.11995

    53 min
  16. 193 – Summer Series 2 – The Enhanced Games

    Episode 193

    Show notes

    Chris and Sophie provide an update on the Enhanced Games. They happened and the story, bad enough as it was, got a little a bit worse. Go back in time with us to review why allowing athletes to dope without consequences is "a farce, an extremely dangerous one"

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    Sophie's original article on the Enhanced Games: https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/critical-thinking-student-contributors-health-and-nutrition/faster-higher-stronger-enhanced

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    Popular press coverage of the games: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6374748/2025/05/22/enhanced-games-world-records-kristian-gkolomeev/

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    The story of the 15 year old Russian skater Kamila Valieva who lost her gold medal after taking trimetazidine https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/jan/29/russia-figure-skater-kamila-valieva-four-year-doping-ban-beijing-winter-olympics\

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    The TRAVERSE trial on the cardiovascular safety of testosterone https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2215025

    50 min
  17. 192 – Summer Series 1 - menopausal hormone therapy

    Show notes

    In our first summer series episode, we review a topic that keeps coming back. Hormone therapy for menopause. It was a thing, then it stopped being a thing, now it's a thing again.

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    References:

    Geographic variability of menopausal symptoms

    1) Nappi RE et al. Global cross-sectional survey of women with vasomotor symptoms associated with menopause: prevalence and quality of life burden. Menopause. 2021 May 24;28(8):875-882. doi: 10.1097/GME.0000000000001793.

    2) Nappi RE, et al. Prevalence and quality-of-life burden of vasomotor symptoms associated with menopause: A European cross-sectional survey. Maturitas. 2023 Jan;167:66-74. doi: 10.1016/j.maturitas.2022.09.006.

    What's the normal duration of symptoms

    3) Avis NE, et al. Study of Women's Health Across the Nation. Duration of menopausal vasomotor symptoms over the menopause transition. JAMA Intern Med. 2015 Apr;175(4):531-9. doi: 10.1001/jamainternmed.2014.8063.

    The Women's Health Initiative (WHI) studies

    Rossouw JE et al. Risks and benefits of estrogen plus progestin in healthy postmenopausal women: principal results From the Women's Health Initiative randomized controlled trial. JAMA. 2002 Jul 17;288(3):321-33. doi: 10.1001/jama.288.3.321.

    Anderson GL et al. Effects of conjugated equine estrogen in postmenopausal women with hysterectomy: the Women's Health Initiative randomized controlled trial. JAMA. 2004 Apr 14;291(14):1701-12. doi: 10.1001/jama.291.14.1701.

    Decline in HRT after WHI studies

    Sprague BL, Trentham-Dietz A, Cronin KA. A sustained decline in postmenopausal hormone use: results from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, 1999-2010. Obstet Gynecol. 2012 Sep;120(3):595-603. doi: 10.1097/AOG.0b013e318265df42.

    Danish Osteoporosis Prevention Study

    Schierbeck LL metal. Effect of hormone replacement therapy on cardiovascular events in recently postmenopausal women: randomised trial. BMJ. 2012 Oct 9;345:e6409. doi: 10.1136/bmj.e6409.

    Kronos Early Estrogen Prevention Study (KEEPS)

    Harman SM, et al. Arterial imaging outcomes and cardiovascular risk factors in recently menopausal women: a randomized trial. Ann Intern Med. 2014 Aug 19;161(4):249-60. doi: 10.7326/M14-0353.

    Kronos Early Estrogen Prevention Study (KEEPS)

    Hodis HN et al. Vascular Effects of Early versus Late Postmenopausal Treatment with Estradiol. N Engl J Med. 2016 Mar 31;374(13):1221-31. doi: 10.1056/NEJMoa1505241.

    Stopping hormonal therapy

    Berman RS et al. Risk factors associated with women's compliance with estrogen replacement therapy. J Womens Health. 1997 Apr;6(2):219-26. doi: 10.1089/jwh.1997.6.219.

    Grady D, Sawaya GF. Discontinuation of postmenopausal hormone therapy. Am J Med. 2005 Dec 19;118 Suppl 12B:163-5. doi: 10.1016/j.amjmed.2005.09.051.

    Tapering vs. abrupt stop or hormonal therapy

    Haimov-Kochman R et al. Gradual discontinuation of hormone therapy does not prevent the reappearance of climacteric symptoms: a randomized prospective study. Menopause. 2006 May-Jun;13(3):370-6. doi: 10.1097/01.gme.0000186663.36211.c0. PMID: 16735933.

    52 min
  18. 191 – How to fact check Wikipedia with Susan Gerbic

    Episode 191

    Show notes

    Susan Gerbic and the Guerilla Skepticism on Wikipedia project are trying to do the impossible. They are trying to fact check the internet. You too can join this vital work and make the internet a slightly more scientifically accurate place.

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    More on the Guerilla Skeptic project: https://www.abouttimeproject.org/

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    Her facebook page if you want to be in touch and join the group: https://www.facebook.com/Gerbic

    32 min
  19. 190 – Zone 2 Running: when less exercise might count for more

    Episode 190

    Show notes

    Are light runs (Zone 2 runs) better than heavier workouts? Sophie goes on a semi-manic tangent in her most enthusiastic episode yet to answer whether less intense exercise might actually help your fitness level, aerobic threshold and mitochondrial efficiency. Also, Chris tells a funny marathon story and a viewer question tries to fact-check to the fact checkers on whether walking and running burn the same amount of energy.

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    References:

    1. Storoschuk, K. L., Moran-MacDonald, A., Gibala, M. J., & Gurd, B. J. (2025). Much Ado About Zone 2: A Narrative Review Assessing the Efficacy of Zone 2 Training for Improving Mitochondrial Capacity and Cardiorespiratory Fitness in the General Population: KL Storoschuk et al. Sports Medicine, 55(7), 1611-1624.

    2. Mølmen, K. S., Almquist, N. W., & Skattebo, Ø. (2025). Effects of exercise training on mitochondrial and capillary growth in human skeletal muscle: a systematic review and meta-regression. Sports Medicine, 55(1), 115-144.

    3. Inglis, E. C., Iannetta, D., Rasica, L., Mackie, M. Z., Keir, D. A., Macinnis, M. J., & Murias, J. M. (2024). Heavy-, severe-, and extreme-, but not moderate-intensity exercise increase V̇o 2max and thresholds after 6 wk of training. Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise, 56(7), 1307-1316.

    4. McConell, G.K., Wadley, G.D., Le plastrier, K. and Linden, K.C. (2020), Skeletal muscle AMPK is not activated during 2 h of moderate intensity exercise at ∼65% in endurance trained men. J Physiol, 598: 3859-3870. https://doi.org/10.1113/JP277619

    5. Meixner, B., Filipas, L., Holmberg, H. C., & Sperlich, B. (2025). Zone 2 Intensity: A Critical Comparison of Individual Variability in Different Submaximal Exercise Intensity Boundaries. Translational sports medicine, 2025, 2008291. https://doi.org/10.1155/tsm2/2008291

    6. Harber MP, et al. Impact of Cardiorespiratory Fitness on All-Cause and Disease-Specific Mortality: Advances Since 2009. Progress in Cardiovascular Diseases 2017;60(1):11-20. PubMed 28286137

    7. Kodama S, Saito K, Tanaka S, et al. Cardiorespiratory Fitness as a Quantitative Predictor of All-Cause Mortality and Cardiovascular Events in Healthy Men and Women: A Meta-analysis. JAMA 2009;301(19):2024-2035. PubMed 19454641

    44 min
  20. 189 – Nonenal, Persimmon Soap, and the myth of old person smell

    Episode 189

    Show notes

    A viewer question prompts Chris and Sophie to ask what actually causes "old-person smell" and is persimmon soap the only thing that can get rid of it? And what does this have to do with Japan?

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    The 2001 Japanese study that most websites reference: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022202X15411984

    41 min