Podcast

Edge of the Couch

Education, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

Two good friends and experienced therapists explore the topics that were either shied away from or dismissed because they were too big, too nuanced, too risky, or too uncomfortable to address in school or even in supervision. We want to inspire and encourage therapists to think more deeply, show up more fully, and find humour and self-compassion in navigating the messier parts of being a therapist.

Episodes
173
Releases
Weekly
Typical length
37 min
On air since
2021
Latest episode
1 week ago

Episodes

173 episodes, newest first

  1. Good Enough Therapy - Live from Edmonton

    Season 11, Episode 5

    Show notes

    Note: This episode was recorded live during our tour stop in Edmonton. As such, we sound like we're on speakerphone.

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    37 min
  2. Why You Shouldn't Get Behind On Notes

    Season 11, Episode 4

    Show notes

    In this episode, we respond to an anonymous post in a therapist facebook group where the therapist neglected to write a note for a client for a YEAR. We talk about the potential implications, and why it's important to stay on top of your notes.

    **Remember that we are located in British Columbia, Canada, and expectations around note-taking is likely different where you work.

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    26 min
  3. Therapist Ego - Live from Kelowna

    Season 11, Episode 3

    Show notes

    Note: This episode was recorded live during our tour stop in North Vancouver. As such, we sound like we're on speakerphone.

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    34 min
  4. Do Therapists Get Tired of Talking About the Same Thing Over and Over Again? - Live from North Vancouver

    Season 11, Episode 2

    Show notes

    Note: This episode was recorded live during our tour stop in North Vancouver. As such, we sound like we're on speakerphone.

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    28 min
  5. Working with Dissociation

    Season 11, Episode 1

    Show notes

    For our Season 11 premiere, we discuss dissociation--the range of severity, how it shows up in session, and how we typically respond in our own practices. This is a big topic; it feels like we only scratched the surface. But if your education was anything like ours, dissociation was barely addressed, if at all. We hope this conversation can get you thinking about how you can better respond to it in your work.

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    38 min
  6. Ending Sessions on Time

    Season 10, Episode 15

    Show notes

    We're currently on tour, but we are so excited to share this conversation with you! In this episode, we discuss all the interesting layers of this instagram reel by Jen Sims from The Redwood Center for Children & Families. As a trauma therapist herself, she decided to terminate therapy with her own therapist after the first session ran significantly over time. This sparked a huge conversation among therapists about what it means to end on time (or extend beyond the scheduled time.) People seem to feel strongly one way or another. We want to know: what do you think?

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    39 min
  7. The Role of Emotion in Therapy

    Season 10, Episode 14

    Show notes

    Emotion is the heart of our work as therapists. They can be slippery and elusive, hard to access, scary to tap into and feel fully. There are countless frameworks for understanding emotion, and in this episode we talk about how we personally conceptualize these phenomena.

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    40 min
  8. How to Avoid Being Harmful on Social Media

    Season 10, Episode 13

    Show notes

    Even though we discussed being a therapist on social media fairly recently, we thought it was important to talk about it again because a therapist with a huge following (therapyjeff) posted things that were objectively harmful, intentionally or not, in recent weeks. It ignited a larger conversation across platforms about best practices for therapists on social media, because it's a good reminder: we can do actual harm, and it's important we take this risk seriously. But how? In this episode, we talk about our own evolving relationships with social media and how we thoughtfully show up to, hopefully, be a net good for the people who listen to our podcast, watch our videos, and read our writing. We'd love to know how you show up on social media as a therapist (or why you specifically avoid it.)

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    40 min
  9. Has a Client Ever Hurt Your Feelings?

    Season 10, Episode 12

    Show notes

    You guessed it-- we saw something online this week that got us thinking. This time, it was a reel where a therapist claimed that clients cannot hurt her feelings. But... of course they can...? We're human, after all. But knowing when to process our emotional response directly with clients and when to let it lie and process it elsewhere is worth deeper reflection. Has a client ever hurt your feelings? What did you do about it?

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    43 min
  10. Confrontation is a Key Part of the Job

    Season 10

    Show notes

    This episode is all about confrontation, challenging, 'calling in'. We talk about how gentle confrontation is an essential part of our work as therapists. We believe it is ultimately a disservice to clients to avoid challenging their thoughts, beliefs, or patterns. The tricky question is when and how to confront people in therapy. It's so scary when you're new! What is the hardest part for you when it comes to (gently!) challenging clients?

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    37 min
  11. If You Want a Village, You Have to be a Villager

    Season 10

    Show notes

    In this episode, we talk about how this phenomenon shows up in the therapy room. Some clients feel their asking for help is burdensome to their friends, so they keep to themselves, even when they want to develop deeper relationships. Some people are discarding friendships for seemingly innocuous mistakes. This idea that we 'don't owe anyone anything' is costing us connection. As therapists, we can support these folks to approach their relationships in alignment with the kind of relationships they want to cultivate, rather than from a place of blame. So what do you think? Have some people taken the recent social messaging about boundary-setting too far?

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    35 min
  12. PATREON PREVIEW: Therapist Red Flags

    Season 10

    Show notes

    This week, we wanted to give you a peek into what our content on Patreon looks like. Breaking with our usual format, we are a little looser, a little more personal, a little more controversial. So, if you want to join us over there, go to patreon.com/edgeofthecouch. We have over 120 bonus episodes of speaking off-the-cuff, with no notes, no ads, no edits.

    We also want to give our deep thanks to our patrons. Without your support, we would not be going on tour, period. Times are tough, so for you to use some of your hard-earned money to help sustain our work means so, so much.

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    19 min
  13. Therapists as Wet Blankets

    Season 10, Episode 8

    Show notes

    In this episode, we talk about how therapists can be humourless, anti-love, bubble-bursters. Not really... but maybe a little bit? We believe being the wet blanket is actually an important part of our jobs as therapists. We see when humour is being used as a defence mechanism. We spot love-bombing and other red flags. Exactly how we bring those observations to the client, that's more delicate work. How do we help clients see the full landscape of a situation rather than one angle of it? And when might we be overusing our power to make clients see 'reality'?

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    39 min
  14. Touching in Therapy: A Relational Perspective

    Season 10, Episode 7

    Show notes

    You probably heard this in grad school: "Never, ever touch your clients." But you know, for us, things are rarely black-and white. What about high fives? What about comforting touch? Hugs at termination? The conversation about using physical touch in therapy usually centres around liability and the 'slippery slope' to abusing our clients. While those are essential considerations to this topic, we are taking a different focus: the impact on the client and the therapeutic relationship. Our perspective might surprise you...

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    34 min
  15. It's Not Morbid to Talk About Death

    Season 10, Episode 6

    Show notes

    Are you comfortable talking about death with your clients? Not just around their grief and losses, but also about their own future deaths. Some clients will be open about their anxieties, while others unconsciously express their feelings through things seemingly entirely different-- like making big life decisions about romantic partners and whether or not to have children. We also discuss MAID, suic*de, and the prospect of death adding to the meaningfulness of life. Listen to learn about our own relationships with death. It might surprise you...

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    42 min
  16. Where Story Meets Science

    Season 10, Episode 5

    Show notes

    Inspired by the new research article critiquing and perhaps 'debunking' polyvagal theory, we are sitting with the tension between adjusting to emerging neuroscience findings while also offering clients frameworks that genuinely help them make sense of their experiences and feelings. We talk about brain scans and bold claims that researchers sometimes make, what sounds science-y versus what actually shows up in people's psychology and physiology in session. We must translate these complex concepts to clients responsibly. At what point are we oversimplifying? Or just plain wrong? Although neither of us references the vagus nerve specifically in our therapy work, we are a little thrown. Along with the claims the author Lisa Feldman Barrett makes in her recent book, How Emotions Are Made, we wonder what other concepts we hold dear might be next on the neuroscientific chopping block. So, when you find yourself in the place where story meets science, what do you fall back on?

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    40 min
  17. Should We Bring Back Shame?

    Season 10, Episode 4

    Show notes

    Hear us out... we know that so many of our clients are in therapy specifically to work through chronic shame, and we work alongside them to pull back the layers and find self-compassion. To learn more about that process, you can listen to our episode on Working with Shame.

    We came of age professionally, so to speak, when Brené Brown's perspectives on shame and guilt were at the forefront of the cultural zeitgeist. According to Brené, shame is 'I'm bad', while guilt is 'I did something bad.' This is something we generally agree with. But in this episode, we're asking the question about whether shame might actually have a place, that maybe we shouldn't banish it. We discuss the connection between accountability and shame, and how that plays out in the therapy, but also in community and collectively. So, what do you think: should we bring back shame?

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    37 min
  18. The Problem with Therapist Promises and Guarantees

    Season 10, Episode 3

    Show notes

    Therapists should not be out here guaranteeing results! That is a big red flag. But false assurances aren't just for those "bad therapists" over there; we, too, can fall into the trap of making promises we can't keep. Have you ever told a client you'll never abandon them? That therapy will save their marriage or "cure" them of anxiety or depression? Listen to learn why it can be harmful to make such strong claims, and what we could be doing instead to create realistic expectations and support the long-term work of alleviating suffering and living a meaningful life.

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    34 min
  19. Show and Tell in Therapy: When Clients Want to Share Videos, Text messages, or Poetry with Us

    Season 10, Episode 2

    Show notes

    Clients bring in photos, videos, and artwork—and we love it. It helps us see their world more clearly. But what happens when the sheer volume becomes overwhelming, boundaries get blurry, or we take away something they didn't intend to share?

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    35 min
  20. For the Record... Neutrality Doesn't Exist

    Season 10, Episode 1

    Show notes

    It's time for a refresher about why it's harmful when therapists put on a front of "neutrality". Especially during this time in history, people need therapists to be a place to land, to meet a real person, to talk about their completely understandable fears and have those validated and held. Heads up: this conversation is a little messy and unfinished. We're curious about what you think.

    Join us on Patreon for bonus content at https://www.patreon.com/edgeofthecouch, share your thoughts and questions via DM on Instagram, or email us at connect@edgeofthecouch.com.

    We have partnered with Janeapp, our favourite all-in-one practice management software. You can learn more at http://jane.app/mentalhealth. Or, if you are ready to get started, mention Edge of the Couch in the note during sign-up for a free one-month grace period on your new account.

    Alison McCleary
    https://www.woodstovewellness.ca/

    Jordan Pickell
    http://www.jordanpickellcounselling.ca
    @jordanpickellcounselling on Instagram

    Edge of the Couch
    http://www.edgeofthecouch.com
    @edgeofthecouchpod on Instagram

    36 min